Conflict changes the way we see each other, how we communicate with each other, and how we organize around each other. It is a powerful rallying point for transformation (Mitchell, 2018). Join our hosts, Jeremy and Gerry, Whole-System Designers and Transformation Catalysts as they dialogue with their guests about facing and addressing social issues that divide us. The purpose of this podcast is not to resolve conflict, but to work with others in transforming conflict into tools for changing our views, relationships, and sociopolitical structures.